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Stephen's Own Domain 2008

by stephen1276 from Milwaukee, WI

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Ok, I'm going to go easy on this subject. No it's not in reference to The Dark Knight, which I am planning to see anyway. And no, I didn't go to any of the theaters and simply wait just get in. What I'm referring to is the ongoing issue of a word that is just revamping itself over and over. I'm referring to the N-word. Yeah that word. Like some in America, I tuned into "The View" last week, where Whoopi and Elisabeth were sparring over the N-word and the use of it, after Rev. Jesse Jackson mentioned it towards Sen. Barack Obama. Some say blacks can say it, others say whites can't. And majority are just in the middle of trying to understand it. As I was watching the "hot topic", which I'm assuming it is, yes, I got to admit that it was a heated to a point. I know that Elisabeth Hasselbeck had her say on it, but I have to side with Whoopi on this one. Not because she's black, and has an oscar! In my view, Whoopi put up some valid points on the word as in relates to not only discrimination, but also fear, dark history, and pain behind the word. The dark history i'm referring to is Slavery and the Jim Crow era. She commented for example that her mother couldn't go in her hometown to vote when she was alive. Coming to think, I probably had family members who went through the same thing. This was in relation to the "two different worlds" comment. Speaking of that subject, there was sample of that on the east side when I watching a news footage about a patron who was denied access into a club. The patron was a African-American male. According to the footage, at first the man was stopped because his pants wasn't the right size, nor his footwear wasn't correct. Plus his outfit wasn't "approvable". So in an experiment, he asked his friend, a caucasian man, to dress in the same clothes he was wearing in prior going to the club. Guess what? The caucasian man got in with the exact clothes his black friend was wearing! Do you see a pattern here? The footage I watched was from Channel 12's Investigations Segment in which Colleen Henry did the story. And I often read stories coming from black publications, such as the Milwaukee Truth, about clubs like Decibal Deepbar don't cater to African-Americans. I read in an article about club goers (about 22 year old black college students) who commented, had the "not accepting us" relations in going to establishments like Decibal Deepbar.

Back to the subject at hand: Some of you are saying this, why are you agreeing with Whoopi? Why her? Why not get on the side of Elisabeth? Let me tell you: I may not agree of what she said in context, but I have to admit the fact, in my view, Whoopi made a valid point in this matter. It may be somewhat understandable, but then again it may not be. I know that I'm probably the same age as Elisabeth Hasselbeck (31), and I don't at times fully understand "the gist" behind the use of the N-Word. I haven't been in the world long enough like my older family members to fully get it. That's almost I'll agree with some pointers of Rev. Jerimiah Wright made about America's problems. I'll go forward and say that I have some of my older family members upon occassion say the N-word. I'm being real here! Especially my Great Uncle, who is Old School! Even my parents, especially my father, had mentioned the N-Word so many times in our family conversations. And they broke it down to myself and my sister of what it ment towards the using of it in a negative manner. There was a time that my current pastor said during a childrens moment in my church, last year, about the N-Word in full context, and telling the children not to be afraid growing up of what the true meaning of the word really is. Plus, he was being real about it! About four years ago, one of my living uncles, who works for P&H Mining on the South Side, mentioned to me when he started working, the employees at the time were given the green light for calling the black employees the N-Word. Keep in mind, this was way back when, before I came into the world. And like my pastor, he was very real to me about saying this, although I wasn't comfortable in hearing the N-Word. 

For famous people: This is nothing new. I know the first people when it comes to mind about it are rappers. Not all, but some. Recently, Nas, the rapper who claimed that Hip Hop is Dead, has an album out now called "Untitled" which is based on the N-word. And I know there are some or most of the consumers who flocked to Kmart, Target, Walmart, Best-Buy, Amazon.com, Itunes, or Circuit City bought the CD or singles to listen to Nas about the N-Word. I didn't get my copy. There were other famous individuals like Tina Turner, Vanessa Williams, Malcolm X, even Martin Luther King, Jr. and countless others, all mentioned the N-Word in a similiar form of experience of what they went through growing up. Vaneesa Williams for example, was interviewed by Barbara Walters, experienced the N-Word when growing up in a all white neighborhood. For Tina Turner, she experienced that while growing up in the south. Even websites like Wikipedia, has the N-word posted with a definition behind it. Remember Michael Richards? Kramer from Seinfeld mentioned the N-word so many times in his comic routine on TMZ, that got some blacks upset. Like it or not, I was watching some of George Carlin's dialogues about the subject and he said the word also. Even Chris Rock said it in one of his comic routines from his "Bring The Pain" HBO Special back in 1996. Not to mention mostly, Richard Pryor.


Now this is the would be the million dollar question: what can be done to erase the N-word? What can be done to really eliminate the word? I mean hey, Sen. Barack Obama is in the Presidental Candidate circle with Sen. John McCain, and this word is in the way. The burial didn't work, but most folks kept bringing it back from the dead. This word has always been in the way no matter what era, generation, or presidential election year it is. It's just like Whoopi said, and I agree about "finding a new way". Finding a new way to not only just mentioning it, but a way to understand to progress past it. The old ways are probably falling off the mark, and not seem to be workable. Let me also go forward by saying this - have a real conversation about it! It's just like the pastors several months ago, who spoke about having a sacred conversation about race. We need to have a sacred converation about the n-word, and any other slur word that plagues our country's ethnic communities. I mean if you know what certain words are, you should know the definition. If you say the word and have no knowledge of the definiton, you might not understand the meaning. That would probably mean that we would have to step out of the computer realms and get into an open space like Pere Marquette Park or Cathedral Square, and just have an old-fashioned, face-to-face, man-to-man, woman-to-woman, black-to-white, ethnic-to-ethnic, northside-to-southside, eastside-to-westside, county-to-county, suburb-to-city, district-to-district, neighborhood-to-neighborhood, state-to-state, city-to-city, clubgoer-to-clubgoer, church member-to-church member, pastor-to-pastor, webteam worker-to-webteam worker, news colleague-to-news colleague, a Greta Van Sustren to Juan Williams style-chat about the legatity of the N-Word. Don't be scarred! I mean, if we can have a coversation about Brett Favre trying to play again, or having Ted Thompson fired, Myspace, MyFox, The Dark Knight(hey, I like Batman myself), Wisconsin Badgers Football, HDTV, Converter Boxes, NFL Ticket on DirecTV, the best DVDs, the worst Video Games, Nintendo Wii, PS3, Xbox, Madden '09, Gas Prices, or any other best/worst subject, why not a sacred or real conversation about the N-Word? If we don't have this real conversation about the N-word, we'll be stuck in the same boat for the next many years and having to the next generation to ask us, what is a N-word and why some did used in many ways such as hurting people? Don't be suprised about those questions.

On the real, I don't use the N-Word. I don't have the intentions of displaying it in public. It's not my interest nor desire to speak it. Nor it's my intention of looking at on a book cover at Borders or Barnes and Nobles. Nor as me being of African decent (or African-American call it what you want) of embracing it in a negative fashion like those who constantly use it and get away with it. I know my upbringing of standards and morals.

This is my take. Right or wrong. Just my thought.

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alabamaslammer read my blog
Jul 21, 2008 | 3:30 PM

yeah I saw that story on WISN 12, it was a really good story. You know I heard that Decibel was like that, and there's the truth. Hmmm now you've got me looking all over Youtube so I can watch the debate.

A_Jive_Soul_Bro read my blog view my photos
Jul 21, 2008 | 4:30 PM

I don't think any word should be limited to a certain demographic of people. Sure the n-word hurts blacks more when used by a non-black, but all should see the hate which that word represents. And using it or as Whoopi suggested, "making it our own" does not portray the accurate message to other ethnic groups that it does still hurt.

aaro-nf read my blog view my photos
Jul 21, 2008 | 4:31 PM

great job on the posting of this blog.

desertwindrider read my blog view my photos
Jul 21, 2008 | 4:57 PM

BLEEP: Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive. a person of any race or origin regarded as contemptible, inferior, ignorant, etc.
a victim of prejudice; a person who is economically, politically, or socially disenfranchised.

I believe that every race on the face of the earth at one time were in the same boat.

hahnmeister read my blog
Jul 22, 2008 | 4:34 PM

I think the more afraid we are of saying it (Im white), the more power it gives the word. Its like a swear word, even though its not. It thrives on the power we give it. But what does it stand for, what is the context, etc.

I have used the word to describe someone according to the definition given above... regardless of race, color, etc (it was to another 'white guy', and he knew the context I was using it in). In that use, am I not 'stripping the word' of its stigma?

So how do we strip this word of its power? Only time I think. New generations replace the ones that attach such a stigma to the word.

In the meantime, words that are based on it, like Ni&&a, arent helping us 'forget', even if its use is across racial lines.

I have to agree with Dr. Cornel West ( http://www.cornelwest.com/ ) and Cosby on this one, the use of the word by blacks to other blacks is a means of 'ni&&erification' (their word, not mine) of the black community. It creates a 'monoculture'... and one must ask the question of "why is R&B/Rap culture associated with being 'BLACK' culture, and 'being black' now meaning you must be part of those cultures in reverse?" I have a good buddy, Lajon Witherspoon, from growing up who is african american, yet nobody considers him 'black'. Why? He is the frontman for a popular metal band called Sevendust. Now, he 'isnt black' according to his black peers. What a crock, how does that work? What, because he cant answer if he likes Kardinal or Lil' Wayne? Seems so.... sorry guys, he just doesnt listen to that stuff. Guess what, he hates Caddy's

hahnmeister read my blog
Jul 22, 2008 | 4:34 PM

I think the more afraid we are of saying it (Im white), the more power it gives the word. Its like a swear word, even though its not. It thrives on the power we give it. But what does it stand for, what is the context, etc.

I have used the word to describe someone according to the definition given above... regardless of race, color, etc (it was to another 'white guy', and he knew the context I was using it in). In that use, am I not 'stripping the word' of its stigma?

So how do we strip this word of its power? Only time I think. New generations replace the ones that attach such a stigma to the word.

In the meantime, words that are based on it, like Ni&&a, arent helping us 'forget', even if its use is across racial lines.

I have to agree with Dr. Cornel West ( http://www.cornelwest.com/ ) and Cosby on this one, the use of the word by blacks to other blacks is a means of 'ni&&erification' (their word, not mine) of the black community. It creates a 'monoculture'... and one must ask the question of "why is R&B/Rap culture associated with being 'BLACK' culture, and 'being black' now meaning you must be part of those cultures in reverse?" I have a good buddy, Lajon Witherspoon, from growing up who is african american, yet nobody considers him 'black'. Why? He is the frontman for a popular metal band called Sevendust. Now, he 'isnt black' according to his black peers. What a crock, how does that work? What, because he cant answer if he likes Kardinal or Lil' Wayne? Seems so.... sorry guys, he just doesnt listen to that stuff. Guess what, he hates Caddy's

stephen1276 read my blog view my photos
Jul 24, 2008 | 10:53 PM

Here's a link to the Decibel Deepbar story:
http://www.wisn.com/video/16830832/

stephen1276 read my blog view my photos
Jul 24, 2008 | 11:46 PM

Speaking of Bill Cosby, when he was here four years ago at North Division, the question he asked "Are there any N's here?" I was shocked to hear him say that. But in another sense, he was I think he was trying to say was the fact that we (as in the black community) shouldn't lower ourselves in that manner. That won't cut it. I think one way and I believe the truthful way of striping the N-Word is not using it. It may not be agreeable, but it's a start. And giving a reason why can be added to that.

For music and being black: The "being black" part always bothers me. It bothers me because of what I think resolves to ignorance. Which leads to comments like, Sellout, not black enough, or Uncle Tom. I think or I believe it's just plain ignorance. Everybody is different in many ways. Not every member in the black community isn't going to dunk a basketball, per say. Speaking of that with music, all forms of music were invented by blacks. All Forms! Including rock and roll. And the thing is, R&B, and the Rap Game shouldn't be the "all the time" featured forms of black music. It's more than that like of Gospel, Jazz, Pop, and etc. There are times I listen to Lenny Kravitz, and everytime I get a chance to hear him, or groups like Living Colour,I remind myself on how rock music came into fold of its creation as I like to call "Afrocentric".

desertwindrider read my blog view my photos
Jul 26, 2008 | 2:16 PM

"...all forms of music were invented by blacks..."

???????????

I believe my people invented music in this country long before blacks came to these shores, but I don't think anyone else was listening.

desertwindrider read my blog view my photos
Jul 26, 2008 | 2:37 PM

"...all forms of music were invented by blacks..."

Uh...beg to differ with you, but all cultures had their own indigenous music.

My people had their own music long before blacks ever saw the shores of this country. Long before whites ever saw the shores of this country.

But I don't think anybody was listening.

Heck, nobody even today bothers to listen.
We never did count.

stephen1276 read my blog view my photos
Jul 27, 2008 | 9:51 PM

For music Desert, I'm summarzing from a origin standpoint. When I was in Detroit in 1999, I visited the Charles Wright African American Museum on a Family Reunion trip. Let me tell you, a tour guide showed us a chart during the exhibits. And it had every form of music on that chart. Every form. Rock, Pop, Jazz, Folk, etc. And when I looked at it really generally and I mean "generally" summarized the thought of every music we listen to now, and probably what our families listened traced back to Africa. That's where it comes from. Then in later years we know it expanded in other countries and later on in the U.S. The same can be said about the instruments like the drums. I've heard this story so many times before. My family told me this alot. Even Lenny Kravitz said this in Jet Magazine about 4 years ago. No Joke.

I may not want to admit it. But to me, it's the truth - from an origin standpoint.

stephen1276 read my blog view my photos
Jul 28, 2008 | 2:05 PM

Here are some quotes that Lenny Kravitz said in 2002 about his summary of the creation of black music which features rock music. To read the full article go to this website:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_/ai_8439
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"I'm Black and I'm playing rock and roll," Kravitz told JET during a phone interview from Paris. "Music has no color. It should be shared by everyone, but if we want to be technical about it, rock and roll started out as Black music, but people tend to forget that."



"It's a shame because White people didn't take rock music away from us, we gave it to them," Kravitz said. "We throw it away and it's our music. We created all of this ... R&B, ragtime, folk, gospel, jazz, pop, rock, funk, reggae, calypso, soca, we invented all of this music. Anything with rhythm, we created it. And, it's a shame that if you're Black and you're doing something a little left of center, it's like, `Aw, Lenny he plays that White music.' No, I play rock `n' roll and soul and what I play is Black music."

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I am a resident of Milwaukee(or "The Mil") since the bicentennial year of 1976. I am the youngest of 2 children(my sister is older than me), and I have two parents that have been married since December of 1969. Single, African American, member of the the United Methodist Church, no girlfriend, not married, and No kids! Also, I had a couple of jobs that range from customer service, printing, bindery, seasonal help, and I am currently seeking for full time employment in the process. (Which is my primary focus as of right now!) I have 2 college degrees: A Bachelors of Science from UW-Stout in Industrial Management via distance education, and a Associates in Applied Sciences from MATC in Printing And Publishing. I am a 1995 grad of John Marshall High School, A 1991 grad of Jackie Robinson Middle School, and a 1988 38th Street School graduate. The reason I came here well is to read and give my "two cents" also. Either agree or disagree. You can also catch me on myspace: http://www.myspace.com/sm
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