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by Vince_Condella from FOX 6 Milwaukee

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That's one of the most common questions I get from viewers.  The old "cooler near the lake" is a spring and summer mantra in this part of Wisconsin.  Typically you will hear a forecast with two temperature numbers for daytime highs:  lakeside and inland.  But rarely do forecasters tell you where "inland" is located.

 

The distance to "inland" depends on the wind speed and, to a lesser extent, the direction of the wind.  It makes sense that a faster wind speed will carry cool air from the lake a farther distance inland than a lighter wind speed.  A wind over 15 m.p.h. will usually take the cool air all the way to Highway 45 in western Milwaukee County.  It may take a few hours for the cool air to move inland from the lakeshore to Wauwatosa, but typically it arrives by 10 a.m. or 11 a.m.

 

Slower wind speeds mean very little distance to "inland".  In fact, when the average wind speed is less than 10 m.p.h., cool air from the lake may not make it very far past the I-43/I-94 north-south corridor.  On a light wind, warm, sunny day, Milwaukee's lakefront in May could be 55 degrees but downtown West Allis may be 70 degrees or higher.

 

Wind direction dictates the coolness of the air more than the distance it travels inland.  A north-northeast wind travels nearly the entire length of Lake Michigan simply because the lake is oriented north-south.  A northeast trajectory of an air parcel means it gets to spend a long time travelling over the chilly waters of the lake.  On the other hand, an east or southeast wind has a lesser trajectory and may not pick up as much cold air over the lake surface.

 

As a forecaster, I tend to keep the lakeside-inland temperature difference greatest with a northeast wind, slightly less for an east wind, and even less for a southeast breeze.  I will check the lake surface temperature from the mid-lake buoy as well as the harbor water temperature reports near the lakeshore.

 

Meteorologists also need to make it clear in their forecasts where "inland" is located.  It's impossible to list the forecasted temperature for every town and city in the viewing area, but at least a couple of locations should be referenced, e.g. today's high will be 55 at the lakefront and 75 in Waukesha, or 75 west of Highway 45, etc.

 

It's the little attention to detail that makes a forecast usable for everybody.  And of course we all know that if going to the lakeshore this time of year doesn't cool you off enough, you can always jump into the lake.  Come to think of it, I've had a few people tell me to do that on occasion!

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Only1Antoine read my blog
May 7, 2008 | 9:06 AM

Thanks for clearing that up. If anything I know the difference between inland and near the lake, Just A Little Bit...

But it just bothers me that Waukesha gets all of the good weather like if it's 80 degress there, we're stuck with either 68 degrees or possibly 70 or a little above that.

Man, mother nature sure knows how to give the good weather away to other cities and county areas doesn't she?

It just makes me want to live in Waukesha now. Hey, since we're on the subject I got to ask you this.

Down on the bottom left of the TV Screen where the logo is and the time and temperature is right there; say it was like 85 degrees today, but right by the airport it was 79. Now on screen where the time and temperature is at on the logo, the temperature is recorded in the between say like 82 degrees at the station.

Would that still count as being close to the lake or "inland" since Brown Deer Eastbound going towards the Fox Point direction to I-43 Southbound isn't all the far away from the lake and that would be the direction the wind would be blowing from (as in meteorologist terms, "Unofficial Temperature reading") or would you still have to consider as whether if the temperature is a few degrees of as an "official reading" at Mitchell Airport?

Sorry, if you probably don't understand the question or where I'm coming from. I just woke up and I'm having a hard time thinking.

Vince_Condella read my blog view my photos
May 7, 2008 | 4:38 PM

Hi Antoine,

I think I understand....the temperature that we show at the bottom left corner of the TV screen is the temperature at Mitchell Int'l. Airport. This would be considered more of a lakeside location rather than inland since it is only about 2.2 miles from the lakeshore.

Katbird read my blog view my photos
May 8, 2008 | 1:14 PM

Hi Vince.
This has nothing to do with your post, but I had to show you this picture I took of a Rose-breasted Grosbeak that has been in my yard the last couple days. I thought you might like it.

Photobucket

Vince_Condella read my blog view my photos
May 8, 2008 | 4:16 PM

That is an outstanding photo, Katbird! They are such distinctive birds and a wonderful sight in the yard. Thanks for sharing the photo.

F0x6Fan read my blog view my photos
May 8, 2008 | 4:40 PM

The lake can be perceived as both a curse and a blessing at times.....still it's a great lake.

I love atlanta, but nothing beats having a nice big body of water to enjoy all seasons,

-nice post.

aaro-nf read my blog view my photos
May 8, 2008 | 5:00 PM

hi vince::::-
i just want to say that you did a great job on the posting of this blog. inland is like i believe 10-12 miles of lake michigan. i am glad you clear that up on the 6 day and on the written forecasts as well. you give us very good information and tips during this warmer weather season. whe it is our turn for severe weather during the summer months, feel free to share my blog that i have written in april with the viewers. you are like a great veteran teacher for us viewers. as always, vince, great job and keep up the great work in the weather office.
-----aaro-nf
katbird, that is a very breathtaking photo you posted. awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! great photo post.

Katbird read my blog view my photos
May 8, 2008 | 6:02 PM

Thank you, Vince and aaro-nf. Glad to share.
I put more bird and other critter pics in my photo section under the titie "My backyard friends".

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