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by Met_Major11 from UW-Milwaukee

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Question:

How come there aren't any Black Santa Clause's at our local malls? Is Santa only a White Jolly guy? How come he can't be a happy Asian or a gift giving Native American? What about a friendly Latino or Hispanic Santa? This is supposed to be America, right? Christmas is the holiday where all races and cultures come together. So how come my cousin's only sit on a White guy's lap? Absolutely no offense to White Santa's. But can Santa's be other races as well?

What do you think?
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Centauri65 read my blog
Dec 23, 2007 | 5:21 PM

Southridge did either last year or the year before.

happylopezlady read my blog view my photos
Dec 23, 2007 | 6:49 PM

Good point. I know that when my daughter was younger I made it a point to buy her barbie's and baby dolls in all races. I'm sure there are some places that have more variety in their choice of Santa.

stephen1276 read my blog view my photos
Dec 23, 2007 | 10:36 PM

Capitol Court had a Black Santa once. This was last decade and I remember the kids at the time were gathering around him like any other Santa.

Plus, Walmart at the Midtown Center had a Black Santa on two occasions for taking pictures with the kids. Like Capitol Court, the kids gathered around him like any other St. Nick.

happylopezlady read my blog view my photos
Dec 24, 2007 | 5:45 AM

I love my parents, really but this just reminded me of something else. When I was a teenager and babysitting on night and reading what seemed to be hundreds of books to this little girl I was bothered by something. The next morning I brought up the discusion of "why were there only white children in all of these fairytale books"? My parents didn't see my point or why it even bothered me. But really I found this to be so odd. Now that I'm a mother I feel it is my duty to make sure that my children see reality in everything, including story books. Now we have more of a variety thanks to Dora and Little Bill. But really I am curious how others feel about this. Take a look at your childrens toys and books and even the school library, is it as diverse as we think it should be?

Met_Major11 read my blog
Dec 24, 2007 | 8:17 AM

Great point Happy. Now why is Wal-Mart at one location the only memory of a Black Santa? It's great the kids gathered around him, that made me smile.

Also, Happy, when was the last time you saw a Black Barbie and her doll house in a Mattel commercial?

Basher51 read my blog view my photos
Dec 24, 2007 | 3:10 PM

I guess that if there was a huge market demand for black Santas, or black Barbie dolls, you'd see them in droves. Likewise, if there were a ton of folks complaining or at least asking for black Santas, they'd be there. The merchants are only trying to please the market.

terriellzey55 read my blog view my photos
Dec 24, 2007 | 4:52 PM

There are so many areas of this topic I want to go into, well 1) I remember a Black Santa at Capital Court, by this time I was too old to believe, but it was impressionable for the younger children. 2) Growing up I had a large collection of black dolls including Barbie and Cabbage Patch and I was lucky my mother worked at stores that sold black dolls which were always limited in numbers so because my mom worked at stores like Zayers, I usually would get one of the few black dolls sold. 3) Kimora Lee Simmons made it mandatory that she represented for all minorities when she was offered to be a barbie doll and made it clear that she will be a Kimora Lee Barbie. 4) I too questioned why all the older Christmas movies only show white children. It really gives no hope to minority children who may grow up poor and without and grow up believing Santa only gives gifts and visits the homes of only white children. Lastly, it will only make sense (in my opinion) to have Santas of different races where the number of people shop or dwell. It would make no sense to have a black Santa in Brookfield where the larger number of people are white versus having a white Santa at Midtown where most of the consumers are black.

F0x6Fan read my blog view my photos
Dec 24, 2007 | 4:53 PM

why...because people are uncomfortable with anything that is "different"...it's called fear. You raise a valid question though

MrsTracy read my blog view my photos
Dec 24, 2007 | 4:57 PM

How about this, maybe there are, but just not alot of them because not as many volunteer so you don't see so many around.

terriellzey55 read my blog view my photos
Dec 24, 2007 | 5:02 PM

Quick research shows St. Nick was originally of Dutch orgin... So this is why there is no Black Santa, he is not culturally ours, but for diversity we can invent one... Here is a little history...




"American Origins: (As sent to me by Brian Dodd)
Quote from ENCARTA 95

The American version of the Santa Claus figure received its inspiration and its name from the Dutch legend of Sinter Klaas, brought by settlers to New York in the 17th century.

As early as 1773 the name appeared in the American press as "St. A Claus," but it was the popular author Washington Irving who gave Americans their first detailed information about the Dutch version of Saint Nicholas. In his History of New York, published in 1809 under the pseudonym Diedrich Knickerbocker, Irving described the arrival of the saint on horseback (unaccompanied by Black Peter) each Eve of Saint Nicholas.

This Dutch-American Saint Nick achieved his fully Americanized form in 1823 in the poem A Visit From Saint Nicholas more commonly known as The Night Before Christmas by writer Clement Clarke Moore. Moore included such details as the names of the reindeer; Santa Claus's laughs, winks, and nods; and the method by which Saint Nicholas, referred to as an elf, returns up the chimney. (Moore's phrase "lays his finger aside of his nose" was drawn directly from Irving's 1809 description.)



The American image of Santa Claus was further elaborated by illustrator Thomas Nast, who depicted a rotund Santa for Christmas issues of Harper's magazine from the 1860s to the 1880s. Nast added such details as Santa's

Only1Antoine read my blog
Dec 24, 2007 | 6:13 PM

I Tell You What. If You Want To See A Black Santa, Go Buy That Movie "Bad Santa" with Bernie Mac In It, or Go See Those 2 New Movies "This Christmas", with Chris Brown In It and "The Perfect Holiday" with Morris Chestnut, Gabrielle Union, and more big people in it. Them the only times you will see some "Black Santa's". LOL!

But to answer that question, I have no idea why there aren't any Black Santa's. That's a good question and a mystery.

terriellzey55 read my blog view my photos
Dec 24, 2007 | 9:26 PM

I went to see the movie "Perfect Holiday" and that was a nice Holiday movie with a black cast.

Katbird read my blog view my photos
Dec 25, 2007 | 9:04 AM

Seeing as Santa is a made up character I don't see why he couldn't be any color anyone wishes to imagine.

luvmydoodsz read my blog view my photos
Dec 27, 2007 | 5:46 AM

good question, there should be a black santa!

happylopezlady read my blog view my photos
Dec 27, 2007 | 8:25 AM

This is off the subject but Antoine mentioned the movie "Bad Santa". I just saw this on tv and what a complete waste of time! This is one of those movies that you sit there watching waiting for it to get better, thinking at any point this is going to turn the corner and MAKE A POINT! NOT! Reminds me of the movie "Fargo", just a dark, warped sense of humor movie. (although my husband loved Fargo) Oh and by the way, there is no black santa in "Bad Santa".

Katbird read my blog view my photos
Dec 27, 2007 | 9:36 AM

Black Santa

I LOVED Fargo!!!! Such a great romp!!
I thought Bad Santa sucked too. It was pointless and not even funny.

Katbird read my blog view my photos
Dec 27, 2007 | 11:16 AM

The New York Historical Society held its first St. Nicholas anniversary dinner on December 6, 1810. John Pintard commissioned artist Alexander Anderson to create the first American image of Nicholas for the occasion. Nicholas was shown in a gift-giving role with children's treats in stockings hanging at a fireplace. The accompanying poem ends, "Saint Nicholas, my dear good friend! To serve you ever was my end, If you will, now, me something give, I'll serve you ever while I live."

The jolly elf image received a big boost in 1823, from a poem destined to become immensely popular, "A Visit from St. Nicholas," now better known as "The Night Before Christmas."
His looks are changing, but it is still Saint Nicholas.
He was dressed all in fur, from his head to his foot,
And his clothes were all tarnished with ashes and soot;
A bundle of toys he had flung on his back,
And he looked like a peddler just opening his pack.
His eyes — how they twinkled! his dimples how merry!
His cheeks were like roses, his nose like a cherry!
His droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And the beard of his chin was as white as the snow;

The stump of a pipe he held tight in his teeth,
And the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath;
He had a broad face and a little round belly,
That shook, when he laughed like a bowlful of jelly.
He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf . . . .

con't....

Katbird read my blog view my photos
Dec 27, 2007 | 11:19 AM

Washington Irving's St. Nicholas strongly influenced the poem's portrayal of a round, pipe-smoking, elf-like St. Nicholas. The poem generally has been attributed to Clement Clark Moore, a professor of biblical languages at New York's Episcopal General Theological Seminary. However, a persuasive case has been made by Don Foster in Author Unknown, that Henry Livingston actually penned it in 1807 or 1808. Livingston was a farmer/patriot who wrote humorous verse for children. In any case, "A Visit from St. Nicholas" became a defining American holiday classic. No matter who was the author, it has had an enormous influence on the American transformation of St. Nicholas.
Other artists and writers continued the change to an elf-like St. Nicholas, "Sancte Claus," or "Santa Claus," unlike the stately European bishop. In 1863, political cartoonist Thomas Nast began a series of annual drawings in Harper's Weekly which were based on the descriptions found in the poem and Washington Irving's work. These drawings established a rotund Santa with flowing beard, fur garments, and an omnipresent clay pipe. As Nast drew Santas until 1886, his work had considerable influence in forming the American Santa Claus. Along with changes in appearance, the saint's name changed to Santa Claus as a natural phonetic alteration from the German Sankt Niklaus and Dutch Sinterklaas.
Dozens of artists portrayed Santa in a wide range of styles, sizes, and colors, including Norman Rockwell on Saturday Evening Post covers. But it was in the 1930s that the now-familiar American Santa image solidified. Haddon Su

Katbird read my blog view my photos
Dec 27, 2007 | 11:21 AM

Haddon Sundblom began thirty-five years of Coca-Cola Santa advertisements which finally established Santa as an icon of contemporary commercial culture. This Santa was life-sized, jolly, and wearing the now familiar red suit. He appeared in magazines, on billboards, and shop counters encouraging Americans to see Coke as the solution to "a thirst for all seasons." By the 1950s Santa was turning up everywhere as a benign source of beneficence. This commercial success has led to the North American Santa Claus being exported around the world where he threatens to overcome the European St. Nicholas, who has retained his identity as a Christian bishop and saint.
It's been a long journey from the Fourth Century Bishop of Myra, St. Nicholas, who showed his devotion to God in extraordinary kindness and generosity, to America's jolly Santa Claus. However, if you peel back the accretions he is still Nicholas, Bishop of Myra, whose caring surprises continue to model true giving and faithfulness. In the United States there is growing interest in the original saint to help recover the spiritual dimension of this festive time. For indeed, St. Nicholas, lover of the poor and patron saint of children, is a model of how Christians are meant to live. A priest, a bishop, Nicholas put Jesus Christ at the center of his life, his ministry, his entire existence. Families, churches, and schools are embracing true St Nicholas traditions as one way to claim the true center of Christmas — the birth of Jesus. Such a focus helps restore balance to increasingly materialistic and stress-filled Advent an

Katbird read my blog view my photos
Dec 27, 2007 | 11:24 AM

and Christmas seasons.

wow...that was a lot....

This was taken from :

Saint Nicholas and the Origin of Santa Claus by CAROL MYERS

It was reprinted on this website:

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re05
94.html

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I'm a Journalism & Mass Communications major at UWM. I plan to take Matt Lauer's job on the Today show in about 6 years. I also plan to have my own talk show and magazine.

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